I am going to attempt to answer Jon Stewart’s questions as a thought exercise. Jon asked some tough questions and I want to attempt to think this through.
Is government the antithesis of liberty?
The government should protect our liberties.
One of the things that enhances freedoms are roads. Infrastructure enhances freedom. A social safety net enhances freedom.
This is true that infrastructure enhances our freedom, but the question is how to we do so sustainably? We quit laying rails and built an interstate highways system and a few decades later what has happened: the auto industries boomed, people did benefit from increased freedom of travel, but due to this boom we’ve increased pollution as trucking has become our primary means of transporting goods. The irony is that trains fuel efficiency is ten times better than a hybrid car so if we had just stayed out and let the markets and states deal with transportation, the most efficient forms of transportation would have become dominate. Building the interstate highway system just skewed the market towards gas guzzling trucks, just one of many government policies that has led us to a less than optimal system.
Freedom means freedom from government so a social safety net makes us less free. If we ask, “what can my country do for me” instead of, “what can I do for myself, my family, and my neighbors” then we become less free and more dependent of the government.
What should we do with the losers that are picked by the free market?
The losers go bankrupt and the businesses that are profitable buy the means of production and use those resources to provide more of the products we want for lower prices. The reasons business become market losers are either they produced a product at too high a cost or they were not producing a product that the people demand. The free market is what true democracy looks like and we each vote with our dollars for the winners in market.
Do we live in a society or don’t we? Are we a collective? Everybody’s success is predicated on the hard work of all of us; nobody gets there on their own. Why should it be that the people who lose are hung out to dry? For a group that doesn’t believe in evolution, it’s awfully Darwinian.
We do have a society and we have two general methods of determining how we interact. We can adopt the policies of our central planners or we can use free markets. If we look across the governments of the world, regardless of the form of government it is the countries with the strongest free markets that have the best standard of livings for the poor and the highest wages for the working class.
In a representative democracy, we are the government. We have work to do, and we have a business to run, and we have children to raise.. We elect you as our representatives to look after our interests within a democratic system.
This is true, but this is not what we see in politics today. Instead of looking out for the general welfare of the people, politicians are looking after special interests. The best way to keep the corporations from writing the regulations for their own industries is to shut down the offices of the regulators.
Is government inherently evil?
The government is inherently inefficient. If it takes $5 to pay for the government to give $1 to the poor, wouldn’t we be better off if giving, lets call it $2 to the poor more directly? The poor benefit more, people keep more of their money, and the people who might have administered the government agency would instead end up in the private sector, adding to our tax base instead of draining it.
Sometimes to protect the greater liberty you have to do things like form an army, or gather a group together to build a wall or levy.
Yes people cooperating is the basic fundamental of a free society. It is the role of government to protect us from foreign invaders, but people can cooperate on a smaller scale like community watch programs. Now if people get together to build a levy which causes the next town downstream to flood instead, then the government has a role in helping people protect the property rights of the flooded town. We don’t have the right to cause our neighbors land to flood instead of our own.
As soon as you’ve built an army, you’ve now said government isn’t always inherently evil because we need it to help us sometimes, so now.. it’s that old joke: Would you sleep with me for a million dollars? How about a dollar? -Who do you think I am?- We already decided who you are, now we’re just negotiating.
The question here really is, “what is the role for our military?” Is it a good use of our tax funds to keep military bases in most the countries of the world? Is it in our best interest to prop up dictators, overthrow regimes, and conduct drone assassinations?
You say: government which governs least governments best. But that were the Articles of Confederation. We tried that for 8 years, it didn’t work, and went to the Constitution.
Liberty is a very young idea in the history of the world and not everyone was ready to accept the idea. Many of the colonists liked the idea of having a king. In the history of the world, this has been the norm. Whenever we have a crisis, it is human nature to look to the government to fix things, but the fixes often cause the exact opposite of their intended purpose. The result is that now we don’t even follow the Constitution, we just keep increasing central control to try to fix our problems and the result has been a disaster.
You give money to the IRS because you think they’re gonna hire a bunch of people, that if your house catches on fire, will come there with water.
Why give money to the IRS. If we just went back to the budgets we had just a few years ago we can eliminate the income tax and you might be able to keep enough money to buy fire insurance.
Why is it that libertarians trust a corporation, in certain matters, more than they trust representatives that are accountable to voters? The idea that I would give up my liberty to an insurance company, as opposed to my representative, seems insane.
If you get a letter from Starbucks, you’re probably going to like the prices or products that they sent you. If you get a letter from the government it can be a frightening experience. Why? Because we can choose to do business with a corporation, but we have little or no choice in dealing with government. If we decided that $5 is too much for a cup of coffee then Starbucks would be forced to drop their prices or shut down their stores. If we decide our taxes are too high we have to compete with all the government agencies and special interests who want our tax dollars.
Why is it that with competition, we have such difficulty with our health care system? ..and there are choices within the educational system.
Both of these are great examples of planners trying to improve the general welfare of the people end up increasing costs and decreasing quality. As we get out of the business of trying to micromanage these industries, costs would go down and quality would increase due to increased competition.
Would you go back to 1890?
If we could apply the social and economic freedoms we had then to the society we have now, we could make great strides forward. Using modern standards, since that time our level of poverty had dropped from around 90% to around 10% in this time period and the standard of living for those in poverty today is higher than the standard of living for a king a hundred years ago.
If we didn’t have government, we’d all be in hovercrafts, and nobody would have cancer, and broccoli would be ice-cream?
If we look at Hong Kong and Singapore we can see that if we had true free markets and limited government we might have eliminated poverty and homelessness. If we abandoned central planning for true free markets we might have competitive education, better health care, higher wages, lower prices, and higher standards of living even for the poorest in society.
Unregulated markets have been tried. The 80’s and the 90’s were the robber baron age. These regulations didn’t come out of an interest in restricting liberty. What they did is came out of an interest in helping those that had been victimized by a system that they couldn’t fight back against.
Regulations are an invitation to the corporation to lobby. It if far easier for a corporation to influence a regulatory office when compared to the whole Congress. The first step in breaking the unholy alliance between big business and governance is to shut down the offices of the regulators and decentralizing control. Any time we decentralize control, you have more of a voice. You can’t influence a regulator as well as you can influence a congressman, but you have more influence over your governor or a mayor.
Why do you think workers that worked in the mines unionized?
The workers exercised their right to work together for mutual benefit. There is nothing wrong with that, but the people need to understand that everything the union has it takes from the workers, and when the union becomes too powerful the industries they represent become less competitive.
Without the government there are no labor unions, because they would be smashed by Pinkerton agencies or people hired, or even sometimes the government.
People have a right to cooperate with each other for mutual benefit and the government should protect that right. The unions do not have the right to keep non union workers out though, we each should have the right to choose if we want to participate in a union.
Would the free market have desegregated restaurants in the South, or would the free market have done away with miscegenation, if it had been allowed to? Would Marten Luther King have been less effective than the free market? Those laws sprung up out of a majority sense of, in that time, that blacks should not.. The free market there would not have supported integrated lunch counters.
Thomas Sowell is an economist who has looked at this issue in detail, and his conclusions are that the civil rights movement actually decreased economic opportunities among the black communities, while other minorities did not see the same decrease in opportunity. So free markets would have increased the economic opportunities of all the minorities more evenly and that isn’t something that would tend to lead to segregation. If you segregated today, the free markets would put you out of business.
Government is necessary but must be held accountable for its decisions.
Yes and the best way to achieve that accountability is to have decisions that are made locally at a state and county level, not in some far away place like Washington or the United Nations.